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As not actually having found any nodes that give me experience, I was curious if anyone has found a correlation between: Node Level - Item Level - Natural % to gather VS Character Level and output to experience gain.

I have noticed though that If I use Field Mastery to increase the gathering chance of something that shows a natural 0% chance, that when I do successfully gather it, I get no EXP.

Yeah there are some 0% for sure:


Here is a level 40 node, shows 2 items that are 0%


Here is the same node after using Field Mastery III (note FM3 adds 50% to base chance, meaning the 0% really was a -4%)

After gathering from this node successfully there was 0 experience gain. Since my BOT is at 38 I would think that a item level 40 item would yield some experience. Now maybe this is because of that "anything above 35 is placeholder" business I saw...not sure.

Yep I uploaded pics to my pb library showing 0% then once I used certain abilities I unlocked the 0% to this:

http://s21.photobucket.c...png.html?sort=3&o=21

I discussed it here too: http://disciplesofthelan...osts&m=5807#post5807

Also, I was never able to open up a 0% right off the bat without doing what I mentioned in the thread above and getting the % way up or in how I did it to 100% right away. Wasn't sure how to open up the other items though. Never could get 'em to.

Edited by user Friday, July 12, 2013 1:16:13 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I 'believe' the calculation for Gathering <> Normal Sucess % is:

1 Gathering = .8%



For every test that I've done with bot and mine, I remove my gear in pieces, and among all levels of items (minus level 1 shards) the reduction math comes out the same .8% per Gathering.

Here are some screenshots to illustrate:

Me with exactly 100 Gathering


Me without clothes and 85 Gathering



The 15 point Gathering reduction created a 12% swing in success rate no matter the level of the item. My Bot level is 38. The linear math works out 12/15 = .8

Now...there is likely a baseline MINIMUM for each item but I can't lower my stats enough to see that and haven't created a new character to see if 1 Gathering = .8 at starting levels as well.

My .2 gil for the cause ;)

No its not and MUCH more testing is going to be needed I think. There are other conditions at play i think. The prior was from a level 30 node.

The following is MATHMATICAL on a Level 40 Node
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100 Gathering + Field Mastery3 = 46%

85 Gathering + Field Mastery3 = 40%

65 Gathering + Field Mastery3 = 40%

Now the drop from 100 to 85 is only 6% meaning a .4% chance in 1 Gathering.

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Possibilities
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1) Node Level adjusts scale of effect Gathering has on Success
(To Test: Benchmark all levels of nodes with same Gathering Base then reduction to check scaling)

2) Class level below Node Level reduces effect of Gathering Stat
(To Test: Benchmark on a new character a lower level node and scaling effect of gathering attribute while BELOW the node level, then do it again once class level exceeds Node level)

3) Effect of Field Mastery skews results.

4) What was really interesting was that dropping down to 65 Gathering didn't reduce the success % any further. My initial thought of this is that there is a max negative % you can have for any item (-10%) and that Field Mastery3 will always provide you with at least a 40% chance if not more.
(To Test: Find some node level 50 spots and see if using Field Mastery 3 produces results LESS than 40% [once the item is discovered first that is]

One final odd piece of this puzzle...once I got down to 65 base Gathering WITHOUT using Field Mastery 3, on that level 40 node, the level 1 elemental shard dropped to 96% from 100%.


*** EDIT UPDATE ***
Ok now I'm not convinced there is anything linear about the effect of Gathering on Success %. Below are some more quick results:

The following is MATHMATICAL on a Level 15 Node
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100 Gathering = 86% (Lvl 14 Gridanian Chestnut)

85 Gathering = 79% .4666 Reduction per 1 Gathering

65 Gathering = 73% .3 Reduction per 1 Gathering

So this test took Field Mastery out of the mix, and Used a node where my Class level was well above the Node Level. As such the numbers blow my mind...could be cause it's Friday...but if I work backwards and start at 65 Gathering...then ADD 20 points of Gathering I only get 6% increase to success. If I then ADD only an additional 15 points of Gathering I get a 7% increase.

To me, this sounds like stair-step thresholds to % increase. I have a hard time believing it could be exponential as typically those increases taper off, not speed up at higher levels. Anyrate I'm done for the night so good luck to all who go forth to test this stuff out :p

Edited by user Friday, July 12, 2013 4:03:35 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I had the 65% as well and never dropped below 40% once discovered at lvl 50 node. Damn.. I went through a lot of these results when I was taking ss. Ill have to go revisit the lvl 50 nodes and take more notes this time.

Edited by user Friday, July 12, 2013 7:52:18 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I love this side of mmorpgs like this. While I am not a math man I find it very intriguing, challenging, beneficial and exciting. Good job y'all and thank you. Basic calculations and knowledge of percentages and general mathematics help though.

Edited by user Friday, July 12, 2013 7:40:08 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I'll parse this data more tomorrow but its EXACTLY the info I was looking for. This follows a patter VERY SIMILAR to 1.0 white mage cure/regen effects with MND effect.

You'll note that in the data Raldo provided that there is a stair step range that increases by 2% success for 3 turns, with the 4th being only 1%. Following the 1% gain, it then goes up by 2% again for 3 "steps" before the 4th is only 1% again. There _is_ a mathematical term for this but it eludes me for now and i've gone blind from number testing.

Now that we have the HIGH end range populated we KNOW that starting at a LOW END BASE (LEB) every 6 points of gathering puts you up into the next 'step'. What we need do now is calculate backwards and we can extrapolate the rest of the data. I also think that the MINIMUM chance of success is 40% for a given iLvl. Finally for tonight, its interesting to see on this node that for iLvl 41, 42, 44, 45 that there is 'similar' scaling of success %. Since iLvl 43 is missing from this data, I don't think that is a fluke...going from iLvl 42 to 44 is a ODD 3% change...perhaps a rounding effect...perhaps there is no iLvl 43 items (haven't scanned the list).



GREAT WORK GANG keep this up and I'm sure we'll get this nailed down. My new theory tonight is that "Every 6 Gathering points = Next Step of Successive % Increase (which follows 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1...)"

Ok...Based on Raldo's data (r50) I _think_ the chart displayed might hold water:

https://docs.google.com/...eVhTbHc/edit?usp=sharing

Basically it appeared that for every 6 points of gathering (across the top of the sheet) you'd be within a step %. The step themselves seem to follow a 2 > 2 > 2 > 1 > 2 > 2 > 2 > 1 increase for the sucess %.

However, this is what I would considered _capped_ end game gathering. I'm still trying to figure out (if this proves to be true) how this whole chart would 'scale' based on Class Level.

Anywho, the chart could also be total rubish so I'm just not sure yet.

yeah it is off a bit. I suspect that the gathering increase isn't a static 6 per step....

@ Raldo The last range of data you provided towards the end, it looks like you verified a step of 7 gathering to reach the next level, then were able to show that steps of MORE than that appears possible. How confident do you feel in those results?

@ Orophin I am plugging in your records now...there is some confirmation betweent he two of you, but i suspect my problem is that the exact step increases arn't always the same. Makes more sense to be an expotential curve to all this...that at higher amounts of gathering it takes MORE gathering to reach that next step. ...which would also hint at lower levels taking much less.