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#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:22:45 AM(UTC)
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As the title notes, would it be possible to add the coordinates to the database listing? I believe you're missing out on a great deal of potency that your database could entail by not having quadrant coordinates. I see that location is there, but it's largely inaccurate and encompassing to just give a general area, when listing a coordinate can give the exact static location of a node.

I had an idea for a site actually that would have revolved around the quadrants on the map, so I've been tracking my attempts with quadrant coordinates with interesting results. But as of late I don't have the time to actually set something up. Perhaps I'm pitching an idea that's not in the mindset of where this project is going, but I feel the coordinates of the quadrant you are in plays a huge role in what you are gathering or want to find.

My initial idea for a site would have been simple, efficient and easy to use. A map of the area you were in, say Gridania for example, would be displayed and as you moused over each quadrant, a simple tool-tip would pop up showing what resources are in that quadrant. That was my whole basis for tracking coordinates. As I mentioned in a post on these forums elsewhere, you can track with great certainty where a resource is just by referring to a quadrant.

If this idea is of interest, I could elaborate more. But as I noted, I think coordinates are crucial to finding and tracking resources efficiently.

 

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:57:25 AM(UTC)
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We have kind of hit on this. Not the whole location tracking, but the map and node locations. We have also noticed, even in one area, one type of gathering can have different nodes. For instance in Drybone, there are two different spearfishing node types. One you can get striped gobies from, and one you can't. Same goes for logging. There are two node types, one is tree, one cactus. The drop some different items.

I think we were waiting on getting maps... we'll have to hear from Kida.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:27:12 AM(UTC)
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I can't say with certainty for fishing or spearfishing as I haven't been tracking them since I began my records. But I do know for certain that if I go to specific Harvest or Quarry nodes, I always have the same 5 results. I'm not at home so I can't cite verbatim, but a node I go to near Gridania has Bone Chips, Yellow Tinolqa Slag, Taupe Scale Bugs, Flint Stone and I think Red or Green Quartz. Everytime I go there, it always has them consistantly, It never changes.

The point I was making is that each node has 5 resources that are static. Each node has a specific quadrant that it is in. So if I for instance want Bone Chips, I know where to find them because I know what quadrant that Quarry node is in, so I visit often when needing Bone Chips to repair gear. Quarry, Harvest and Spearfishing nodes are always up too as they never collapse like a logging/mining node, which is great and makes for even easier tracking.

The Mining and Logging locations are what are more difficult to track. With those 2, naturally, you see the sparkles on a tree or in the side of a rock indicating where you can gather and these sites collapse before too long. Regardless though, they do come back eventually at the exact same spot and they always have the same 5 resources within them that you have a chance of getting.

There were a lot of trials and tribulations I went through with my records. Things I decided to not track and things I added. All in all though, I stuck with coordinates, grade, position of node within a quadrant ( generally N,S,W,E,NW,NE Etc!), then of course what notch I hit and what I got. I guess you could probably get rid of relative node position within a quadrant as all mining or logging nodes within a quadrant have the same 5 resources with only very rare exceptions. But I still track them for personal interests so in the future I can better gauge what nodes I want to find for specific resources. Some nodes are even almost directly on quadrant lines so it's hard to determine what coordinate to label my find as. But once I start gathering, I can generally tell what quadrant it falls in by matching up what other nodes in the quadrant should have or shouldn't.

For example, if I know 20:19 has Alumen in it's nodes and 20:20 doesn't and the node I gather is right on the line and I find Alumen, then it's a node I'll assituate with 20:19 for my records.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:44:08 AM(UTC)
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I will have to sit down and take a look at this. I have been playing a bit round with the google map API but it is rather complex when you need to add your own maps and I haven't had that much time to look at it yet. I will try to see if I can get a bit further tonight.

If the logging points are really unique this could help us when trying to locate specific items. The problem is gathering the information. At the moment we have more than 11,000 logs (most for fishing though) and the picture drawn by this is still surprisingly vague on a lot of issues. I had thought that by now I would be able to paint a much clearer picture of what could be found where but this is not the case.

I would love to add information on coordinates to the log and then be able to display what to expect on a Google kinda map. I guess the initial thing when logging would be clicking on the node on the map but this requires some more insight in to how the Google Map API works. I would be great if I could get it up and running though. I have been able to make a map (that can be zoomed) and display it in a page but I have still to find out how to add markers and even more time is needed to find out how these markers could be had in the database.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:26:57 AM(UTC)
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Logging/Harvesting and Mining/Quarrying locations and resources are both static. Right now for instance, I can tell you that if you want Midnight-black Scale Bugs you'd go to quadrant 17:19 in Gridania, to find a quarry node that has it. Green stain sand? 20:19 in Gridania. How about Chanterelles? 31:34 in Gridania. Just north of that is 30:34 which has a huge amount of logging nodes for Maple logs and branches.

I don't even have to login to find this out, I just use my coordinates I chartered and I can gurantee right now that if you go to those spots you'll find exactly what I cited. That's why I was saying that coordinates are hugely beneficial. And now I have to run for work, because I'm late! :)
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:22:01 PM(UTC)
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GrimFaust... this is excellent information. I have been working on maps tonight and have gotten some breakthroughs... I need to do a lot more work to get this working properly but I think there is a good chance this could be some of the best information of the site yet.

I still need some maps though. They are very hard to come by as I need them in pretty high resolution and without the names of other sites. If anyone are able to find maps like this please let me know as I need them to get this to work.

I will continue the work tomorrow night...
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:33:34 PM(UTC)
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http://ffxivmaps.com/

This site has some decent, large and grid-friendly maps. I saw some others before that were full color. I'll have a look and see though when I get home if I can find some.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:14:46 PM(UTC)
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ffxivmaps gets maps from ffxivarchives.com If you look at their maps, see Eastern Thanalan, you can see what I'd like to do. Although we would have a little more info on the nodes.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:16:14 PM(UTC)
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It would be great if we could get some maps up listing coordinates sort of like a Google map like Kida mentioned.  It doesn't even have to be that fancy if it's too hard to implement.

I was messing around with botany the other night because I wanted to grind alch doing maple sap->maple syrup and I found certain trees that would produce at least one gather of sap every time, so what GrimFaust mentioned is accurate.  I started somewhat charting this in MSPaint and drawing different colored circles around logging and harvesting nodes and was going to put a legend in the corner of the map detailing what each node at each coordinate had.  But I have too much going on with fishing to keep up with this.

I think if we could add coordinates (mining and botany at least, fishing is irrelevant I believe) into the DoL log this would help track resources much better.  Maps can maybe wait until later.  :)

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#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:18:36 PM(UTC)
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If you want maple sap, go to Gridania and hit up 30:34, notch 0 on the trees. If you find a few more nodes close ( which is easy since there's 2 static nodes, a Quarry and Harvest node) you can refresh your node and keep going back in a circle through the  nodes. When I was chartering that area, I literally got over a stack of 99 maple sap. Im still not sure why I sold it, but yeah... notch 0 (top notch) on the trees there have a huge ratio of sap.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:45:24 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the input about maps... as mentioned I will be able to do some kind of Google like map... but I need the raw maps... I know about FFXIVMAPS.COM and these are great. The problem is that these maps are not some that I can just take without getting in quite some problems with ffxivmaps.com I don't think they will appreciate that I just grab their maps after all the work they have done with them.

The maps at ffxivarchives.com are also great and are actually the original with no additions (as far as I can see quickly). The problem is that these are not possible to download as they are already embedded in a Google Map API. I would like the maps they are using for this but it seems it's a bit more difficult than first anticipated.

I will find some maps though but if you have more links please let me know... :D
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#12 Posted : Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:15:29 AM(UTC)
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Just wanted to let you know that I have found maps for La Noscea, Thanalan, Black Shroud and Mor Dhona... so no need for those any more... I am currently tiling the maps and hope to be able to add some functionality tonight.

This is looking to be an awesome addition to the site. Then we of course need to add all the information but we will have to see how this is done best... I think the suggestion with a location when logging will be the best and easiest way to do it.
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