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Hey, sorry if this was mentioned somewhere I couldn't find it. But as a suggestion: Is there someway we can denote where fish "seem to be biting at" for each fish at each fishing point? I've been testing for three days and it seems that sweet spots don't change depending on bait or time of day or what day it is.
For example, at Cederwood, Hammerhead Sharks and Bianaq Bream always favor the +1 spot while Ash Tuna are at the 0 spot. Unless there's something I'm missing (some reason it changes) would it be useful to make a list of where the sweet spots are? Maybe on log have 3check boxes: "Above where you are fishing" "Below where you are fishing" "Right where you are fishing". If it's consistent, then post a spreadsheet showing all data. Is just a way I think for people to hone in on what fish they want to catch.
Call me crazy if you want, but I still don't know where Nautilus hide in Bloodshore. |
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It has always been random to me unless they recently changed it during the update. There was never a sweetspot that I saw. I know about the new comments stating above or below but even then it's been random. |
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Hey Vicious, since you're also 24 fisher, would you or somewhere else mind checking some of these spots? I'm on 4 days of the spots always working for me. I haven't really tested much other then Cederwood +1, but never got anything to suggest otherwise lately. At that spot I get about 90% B.Bream or HH Shark. (Which I use on Culinarian)  |
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This is very interesting. It would be great if you would try using the log as this is exactly the kind of thing we are trying to find out. At the moment there is no place on the site that displays this information but I am going to implement it in the near future. It would be great to know the exact depth of the items. I myself have not noted this pattern but I have mainly been mining and logging lately. |
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i thought i was the only one who noticed this.
As far as nautilus are concerned i believe that they might share a spot with another fish or it may just have an incredibly low bite rate, which means it could be a long time before you get one at the correct position to verify its location. with respect to your current level, you might just receive "the fish got away." message which is about useless in your search.(i don't remember catching a great number of these in my 20's.)
while fishing up ash tuna's for a LS mate at position 0 (Cedarwood) i pulled up around 80% various fish, 20% tuna, and a bajillion no bites/lost catches.
the tuna gave the "you sense ash tuna right where you are fishing," and the various fish gave the appropriate above and below message.
BTW have you noticed if the fish positions change at all depending on bait with respect to water type? if a single bait changes the position it is very important that we are aware of it.
if the positions do not change we would then need to discover the frequency of bites at the correct position with respect to various baits. (a little obvious i know, but just thought i should mention it)
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For all my data previously posted, I've used Floating Minnows and Spoon Lures at Bloodshore, Cederwood and Uldah Dock without a change. Ash Tuna is really hard for me to catch at the moment so yeah, I lose a lot of fish and lures when fishing at the 0 spot in Cederwood but catch rate is great for Bream and sharks at +1  . Little change, but a huge difference for me. Also, for the quests needing me to catch Plump Bianaq Bream or Aqua. Monke Onke, I've caught all 3 in a matter of minutes when I was in right spot but would take almost the whole time if I wasn't in that area  , which is why I was listing those too. After finals, once I can fish while not studying, I'll log my results for you like crazy sir  |
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blindfish +3
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My fishing LS and I (on Lindblum, Fishermans Friend) have compiled a list, so please enjoy all the data, and sorry it isnt in a real nice format, but it is easier enough to understand. Google DocumentWe will update it as we get new infos :D If you have any data we don't have that you would like to add, please PM my account on here and I will see it added ^.^ |
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I have decided that we are going to display the sweet spot of all items that can be gathered through fishing, mining and logging as all items seem to have one. I am not quite sure how this should be displayed but I think we need some kind of alternative to the current map that will display this kind of information.
It would be great to be able to click on a spot and get a quick list of all available items and their sweet spots. Also information on bait when fishing would be useful as this has become more important with the November update.
I am going to think about this for a while and see what I can come up with... |
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Kida wrote:
It would be great to be able to click on a spot and get a quick list of all available items and their sweet spots. Also information on bait when fishing would be useful as this has become more important with the November update.
I've also been making a list of what lure it says "the fish like" at many different locations and grades
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Rescuer wrote:Kida wrote:
It would be great to be able to click on a spot and get a quick list of all available items and their sweet spots. Also information on bait when fishing would be useful as this has become more important with the November update.
I've also been making a list of what lure it says "the fish like" at many different locations and grades Man I'm out of the loop for fishing, have been mining and logging to much lately... please elaborate... Does a message appear when a fish like the bait more than normally and is this bait then recommended for the fish? Would this give us three scenarios when fishing: A fish won't bite with the given bait A fish will bite with the given bait And A fish will bite more often with the given bait because it likes the bait I will add this to log if this is interesting information for you guys. Then we can add it to the maps based on what people find. Edited by user Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:54:26 PM(UTC)
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I don't really understand the whole liking the lure thing. I think it's not fish specific at the moment? I've gotten the message on all kinds of fish and I've even gotten a message and then a "No fish bite"...
Right now I don't think their is a way to differentiate fish based on lures that I know of. At least not an easy answer from SE. I think it's just location based. |
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Hi! I'm in the same Linkshell as Drar Origin and I compiled the spreadsheet he linked in an above post. It's far from complete and I simply fill it out as I go about my gathering routine. That means areas I fish all the time (like Cedarwood) are pretty well document whereas areas I never go (like grade 1/2 areas) are really poorly at the moment with regards to that particular spreadsheet.
About bait, my observations have been as follows:
Certain fish "seem to be biting on" certain bait. I am not convinced it affects the percentage of time that kind of fish will actually bite your line, but what I can be certain of is that it slashes the time between "you wait for a fish to bite" and that fish biting! So it speeds up your fishing a lot to use certain baits.
Also, for certain fish I will get a huge variety of types of bait they will go crazy over. With bream for example I have gotten that message with spoon lures, rat tails, and crab balls.
Also, for certain baits there is a huge number of fish that will love that bait! One of the baits with this effect at the moment seems to be Sryphid Baskets, which is loved by a huge amount of different fish. Rat tails also seem to be very popular.
With some baits/fish the attraction seems to be very strong, yet with others it's milder. I will get the "fish are biting on spoon lures" with Hammerhead Sharks, but not every single hammerhead shark will produce this message.
Yet still some fish I have never discovered a bait that they will ever like. Such as dark bass.
And with some baits, like moth pupa and lugworm, I have never found a fish to be "biting on" this bait in a particularly aggressive way.
So yes it does seem a bit random perhaps at this point... but there are definitely patterns emerging. |
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So it is not necessarily something that makes the fish bite more often but just a way to enhance the speed of getting bites?
As you say there is some kind of pattern... and certain fish does like certain bait better than other bait and there will be bait that the same fish would never bite on. And this does give us three scenarios:
With a given bait three things can happen:
Fish will not bite
Fish will bite
Fish will bite and like bait
We don't know the full effect of the last (is it faster bites or more often bites or something completely different) but it is a scenario.
Is this correctly understood? |
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Generally if you get the message "The fish seem to be biting on xxx" it makes the fish get on the hook at about twice the speed of what a normal hook does. I believe the reason SE added this is because we all know that fishing can be a lot slower then the other DoL's (due to time waiting for bites) and so, if you wish to speed fish then it is best to select a bait of a common fish to try and increase your chances of receiving that message.
As for your idea of putting depth and bait into the resource finder, the way imo that it would best work is have the preferred bait in bold, and have the depth listed underneath the item description (as in under the 'HQ: +1 +2 +3 |' part. |
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Drar: I have implemented it on the maps now (not "fish like bait"). If you press a resource point you will now get information on what items can be obtained and the sweetspot (prefered depth/aim/cut). As there is no information in the database yet this is not very useful but I hope it will be there soon.
Regarding fish liking bait... try pressing a fishing spot. You will now be able to see a grid with fish and bait. I am considering adding a lighter green if the fish like the bait... but once again... we have no information on this in the database yet so we need to get it in to the log first.
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Kida wrote:So it is not necessarily something that makes the fish bite more often but just a way to enhance the speed of getting bites?
As you say there is some kind of pattern... and certain fish does like certain bait better than other bait and there will be bait that the same fish would never bite on. And this does give us three scenarios:
With a given bait three things can happen:
Fish will not bite
Fish will bite
Fish will bite and like bait
We don't know the full effect of the last (is it faster bites or more often bites or something completely different) but it is a scenario.
Is this correctly understood? Yes. In addition I think... you can almost narrow it down to the last two of those situations. With a given bait, I think every fish will bite on it, if it is the correct type (Saltwater, freshwater). Since the most recent patch that removed the ability to catch only malm kelp or crayfish when using the "wrong" bait type, your bait type MUST correspond to the type of water you choose to fish. But it has been my experience that if you are using freshwater or all purpose bait you at least have a *chance* of catching any type of fish from the "loot table" of your chosen location. So with that theory it would even be possible to use a lugworm to catch a level 50 fish. But I do think more success would be had with a more appropriate form of bait or lure. After all, it seems perfectly natural that higher rank fish would prefer to bite on higher rank bait. But one could only make a guess, as it seems hard to definitively test and prove such a fact. And also, yes, thank you for the welcome!! :D |
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I'm not exactly sure where to post my findings so ill continue in this thread for the time being. Cassiopeia Hollow bait: Wildfowl Fly 5 No placeholder found 4 No placeholder found 3 Blindfish 2 No placeholder found 1 No placeholder found 0 No placeholder found -1 No placeholder found -2 Crayfish -3 Nether Newt -4 Crimson Crayfish -5 No placeholder found Cedarwood Bait: Crab ball 5 No placeholder found 4 No placeholder found 3 No placeholder found 2 Blowfish (school only) 1 Bianaq Bream/ Hammerhead shark 0 Ash Tuna -1 No placeholder found -2 No placeholder found -3 White Coral -4 No placeholder found -5 No placeholder found I think it is very possible that certain fish do not bite or have a low bite rate with certain bait. Lamp marimo in Cassiopeia hollow for example, i know i have had these bite on crow flys. depth 4 or 5 was its home, (been too long cant remember exactly) but after about 2 hours with 0 confirmed bites on Wildfowl flies i have come to the assumption that certain fish have different bite rates with regards to bait. but as always more data is needed. Edited by user Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:13:16 PM(UTC)
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This is the complete list of FFXIV fishing sweet spots that have been entered in the database. If you have more sweet spots for fishing please let me know and I will get the database and this list updated 4 Brass Loach 4 Tree Toad 3 Blindfish 3 Indigo Herring 3 Tiger Cod 3 Velodyna Carp 2 Blowfish 2 Haraldr Haddock 2 Maiden Carp 2 Saber Sardine 1 Bianaq Bream 1 Dark Bass 1 Hammerhead Shark 1 Miter Shell 1 Silver Shark 1 Wahoo 0 Ash Tuna -1 Black Ghost -1 Northern Pike -1 Southern Pike -2 Crayfish -2 Nautilus -2 Yugr'am Salmon -2 Rainbow Trout -3 Blue Coral -3 Lamp Marimo -3 Merlthor Goby -3 Nether Newt -3 Pipira -3 Red Coral -3 Sandfish -3 White Coral -4 Ala Mhigan Fighting Fish -4 Black Eel -4 Black Sole -4 Bone Crayfish -4 Box Turtle -4 Crimson Crayfish -4 Helmet Crab -4 Lava Toad -4 Malm Kelp -4 Monke Onke -4 Razor Clam -4 River Crab -4 Rothlyt Oyster -4 Sea Cucumber -4 Sea Pickle -4 Striped Goby -4 Vongola Clam There is also a list of sweet spots for FFXIV mining and a list of sweet spots for logging. You can see the lists here: Logging sweet spotsMining sweet spotsThanks to all who helped build the list... Edited by user Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:28:33 AM(UTC)
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