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#1 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 8:28:24 AM(UTC)
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Hi all,

To the fishers that have gotten to the higher ranks, do you guys know if red coral can be caught in non-school waters, similarly to how you can catch white coral in Cedarwood? I have a friend leveling the last stretch of goldsmithing and red coral provides him with some good skillups. It just seems hard to come by.

We have data for it being in Skull Valley (probably very rare) and Cedarwood from schools, but I was just curious if there was an area where you can sit in one spot and fish it up or not. My alternatives at this point are to run from school to school in Cedarwood hoping to catch some or grind mobs with a painfully low droprate.

If you have any additional info to what I listed above, please let me know!
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:44:36 AM(UTC)
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from my data i can only attest to catching red coral during leve's and in schools at cedarwood.

I have only received white coral in grade 5 saltwater, Bald Knoll, no school.

if it is in skull valley it is more than likely only from the leve's there.

sorry i couldn't be of more help.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:01:05 AM(UTC)
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PRE-patch you could get it in grade 4 off of Cedarwood if you used the 'wrong' bait for the water (IE: flys instead of lures for saltwater) as it limited the 'type' of fish that would bite. Only inorganic would bite on the wrong ones.

However since the patch its hard to come by as you don't get bites using the wrong lures and I've only see it in leve's :(

I might go test this out a bit more though and see if I can get anything to come up.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:29:01 AM(UTC)
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Unfortunately there's only a very limited amount of area that salt water is, so it's hard to come by newer areas to test. The only sea area I've found in Thanalan is by the ferry and it's only Grade 3. Most of the sea areas are in La Noscea. Everything up to Grade 5 has been tested pretty thoroughly I think. Here are some areas that I believe are Grade 5 or 6 that don't have much testing done:

Tiger Helm Island (coulda swore this was grade 5 but listed as 6 on the map)
South Bloodshore
Isles of Umbra (possibly higher than Grade 6)
Moraby Bay (possibly higher than Grade 6)
Widow Cliffs (possibly higher than Grade 6)

The first two should be doable by higher rank fishers. The last few are probably higher than 6, but there's not a lot of data on them so I'm just throwing them out there. Also, if I'm looking at the map correctly, it looks like Mor Dhona is surrounded on all sides by water, but I have no idea what grades of water there are there.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:45:49 AM(UTC)
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Widow Cliffs is Grade 7, and the Tower to the NW of there is Grade 6. Mor is surrounded by mountains with freshwater pools scattered about.

By testing i meant different combo's of bait in known locations Red has been fished inside pools.

So far, In Grade 4 around Cederwood all I can get is White Coral at -3 depth. I'm going to head back over to Widow and see what I can find there.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:12:03 PM(UTC)
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Gotcha. I saw the big pool of water in the middle of Mor Dhona but the outside looked like water too, guess not.

Hope you find some promising results! For the meantime I guess I'll try fishing pools in Cedarwood when I have the time.

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:18:55 PM(UTC)
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Orophin wrote:
Gotcha. I saw the big pool of water in the middle of Mor Dhona but the outside looked like water too, guess not.

Mor Dhona is freshwater. I marked many of the fishing grades on the DoL map.

Corals grow in saltwater
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:42:57 AM(UTC)
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Yeah the grade 6 and 7 spots are the same, low end fish but no coral (at least with lures). I can't imagine freshwater fish making a difference for that one, although it does seem to change fountains quite a bit.

Stood at the fountain outside the adv guild in Uldah and got some crazy different results:

Using a Vulture Lure:
Pipira, Stripped Goby, Crayfish

Using Moth Pupa:
Brass Loch, Maiden Carp, Crayfish

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:07:14 PM(UTC)
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Truvy wrote:
Yeah the grade 6 and 7 spots are the same, low end fish but no coral (at least with lures). I can't imagine freshwater fish making a difference for that one, although it does seem to change fountains quite a bit.

Stood at the fountain outside the adv guild in Uldah and got some crazy different results:

Using a Vulture Lure:
Pipira, Stripped Goby, Crayfish

Using Moth Pupa:
Brass Loch, Maiden Carp, Crayfish



to my knowledge all those fish are freshwater....as well as the lures

Coral, i have only found in saltwater. as rescuer pointed out also.

i have a private database with my personal results and thus far, have all pointed to the consensus of the fishing community regarding coral.

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#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:15:59 PM(UTC)
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Yeah I mean to say using live bait/consumable vs. lures for the coral. Eitherway, a new effort is being made to test all available baits and lures against all bodies of water to see if there is some limiting that can be done for the catches.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:47:50 PM(UTC)
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Coral bites on both live bait and lures rather frequently for me even outside of its sweet spot. the paste balls idk, not many cooks selling them on my server.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:49:23 PM(UTC)
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Correct, white coral bites often, but we are trying to see if blue or red will bite outside of a school. Doesn't appear so at the moment.
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#13 Posted : Monday, April 04, 2011 7:23:43 PM(UTC)
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This is a total noob question. What is the fastest way to reset the red coral fishing spot at Cedarwood? I've found it is really easy to visually target the red coral. At rank 50 it consistently eats 25% of my bar, and is always caught at the far far right. I just cancel the jig if I don't see my bar at 75%, allowing me to fish up 10/10 coral (although not always red).

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:07:56 AM(UTC)
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If by "reset the red coral fishing spot" you mean able to fish there again you need to gather at 2 other points. This doesn't have to be fishing, any gathering will do, but you do need to deplete the node.

Cedarwood has lots of Mining and Botany nodes and if you only have low mining and botany skills then a single hit on the node will deplete it, however finding them could be tricky. Once you have found one then it is unlikely to move for a while.

I have done this in the past when harvesting near Treespeak, I had to hit a tree and a quarry node for the other two points before going back.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:01:03 AM(UTC)
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Thanks, I was afraid of that. I was hoping I could just hit two spots without depleting them. At R50 it takes a bit to deplete a grade 4 spot, since they have 8-10 attempts each. Good idea about using a low ranked botanist or miner.

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#16 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2011 7:00:02 PM(UTC)
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there are 2 spearfishing nodes near the school of fish @ cedarwood. 1 just north of the school. and 1 right next to the school of fish. so technically its easy to run a x3 cycle but you'll get a whole ton of junk
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#17 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2011 6:33:11 AM(UTC)
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blindfire wrote:
there are 2 spearfishing nodes near the school of fish @ cedarwood. 1 just north of the school. and 1 right next to the school of fish. so technically its easy to run a x3 cycle but you'll get a whole ton of junk


This, I have fished hundreds of red coral doing this, but there is a trick.

Start with the node/school. Fish all attempts (8 if you are high enough level is cap).

Now for the trick part to save time, and fishing fatigue.
Go to the near spear node just to the n/w of the school.
Hit it once
Now, go to the far spear node to the south.
Hit it once
Now you can use your quick ability to get back to the school, because it has not reset yet, and the other schools down the cliffs are far enough away. Pop it right at the spear node, as you don't have a lot of space till you are within 200 yalms.

Lastly, the trick part,
Cast at the school area, but don't jig, and just cancel that cast (it will for you anyways even if you try and catch a fish).
This action has now reset the school, because it was your fourth node. The node being open water.

Cast again now, and you have a fresh school.

The benefits:
- Saved time, not hitting the spear nodes for 8 harvests per
- Saved fishing fatigue by not wasting fishing success harvests on 14 additional harvests, per reset.

As well, as stated above, once you can recognize the coral remainder bar, use the jig lag system in your favor. Let your swing bar go back and forth for 15-20 seconds, then jig. It will auto fail, and not consume fatigue or an attempt. You will get 100% red/blue coral.

Even @ 49 GSM they can still benefit from the blue, making arrowheads, while obviously red is better for breastpins.

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#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:45:57 PM(UTC)
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Purplenv's method is to hit two spearfishing nodes, i only hit one though

@Cedarwood
Fish both schools completely, head to where the next school will be, hit the spearfishing node right there once, cast your line where the school should be, cancel your cast, re-cast and the school should be there.

this is how i do it
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:57:35 AM(UTC)
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Purplenv wrote:
[quote=blindfire]

As well, as stated above, once you can recognize the coral remainder bar, use the jig lag system in your favor. Let your swing bar go back and forth for 15-20 seconds, then jig. It will auto fail, and not consume fatigue or an attempt. You will get 100% red/blue coral.



Thx for the neat trick. I don't seem to understand this bit thou.
This is for force failing the catch if its not a coral? or a trick
to guarantee a coral
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