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I think it means if you're targeting specific fish it becomes much more predictable. In fact, R50 fishers can probably pull up 100% of the fish they target now as long as they have enough DEX for grade 5 water and use the right bait.

For those still ranking up, it allows them to specifically target the type of fish best suited for grinding in an appropriate grade level and a specific body of water. You don't want to grind high ranking fish in grade 3, you want to target the lowest rank fish in the pool.

I can't figure out what has been changed. Here is what my experience has been so far. With botany it my strike point, the point at which you successfully gather a item, is constant. However, with mining it would seem that my strike point is constant based on what item I am about to dig up. With botany the strike point seems to be constant based on the tree. I am just ultra confused right now and I would appreciate someone trying to figure out what the hell is going on now.

My experience fishing up black soles mirrors Truvy's. R50 w/Horn Rod+1, 179 DEX, and tried Spoon Lure, Sinking Minnow, and Floating Minnow. I kept fishing up hammerheads, tiger carp, malm kelp, and black soles. About an equal distribution of them, sadly.

So from what I can tell each item has a specific strike/chop/jig point that will stay constant. So if walnut logs will have the same chop point on any walnut tree I am not sure. So far I know at least all grade 4 walnut trees have the same chop point for walnut logs.

What I am confused about now is that the example given in the patch notes makes it seem like you can force a specific item to drop while gathering if you have the right rank and stats. Is this not the case?

@ Trag - Yeah since the December update each resource has its own "sweet spot" and will (more oftan than not) be harvest/catachable there. Not to say you wont get other stuff, but overall it helps to 'aim' for this spot (see other posts with the full listings of all resources and their depths)

@ Quil - I had a hunch this new patch was going to affect DoL classes more so who are NOT at R50. The DoL classes NOW need to be spec'd and geared for doing DoL. Before this patch, you could get away with having warrior/mage stats and no gathering gear. Now, you kinda have to play it like a legit class to ensure good rates.

Also, at R30 i would expect your rates to be low on Grade 4 locations. At least, until you can use the next Rod up (rattan i believe)


SO, as far as my testing at R50 Grade 5 waters fishing for Northern Pike (-1) using Wildfoul Flies, Horn Rod and 85 in all stats, i made 150 sucessful reel ins. 50 of them even were Northern Pike. The rest were divided between Crimsons, Carp and regular Crayfish (from most to least).

Something interesting, the bite rate and sucessful reel in ratio was the same as always HOWEVER...not a single one of the 50 pike catches was a multiple. They were all single. The Crimsons, Carp etc...all had multiples (2 and 3) but the pike were only single. And 44 of them were normal quality, the other 6 were +1 and +3. SO...perhaps there might be something to boosting stats higher than even to ensure multiples of higher level fish (as pike are the highest i believe we have at the moment). Just my initial results, well do it again tonight and see if it stays the same.

I am wondering what is the appropriate rank for grade 4. Apparently it is not 31. Quilick can you test out grade 4 botany. I would suggest humble at the walnut tree. The strike point is about half way between middle and top for all items except mistletoe which is slightly above the previous strike point. If 32 is the "proper" rank for grade 4 then the strike point should be constant for all items.

Also maybe play around with strength. I was able to get the constant chopping points at R38 at humble with 45 str but it seemed like str effected what items I Was getting. Perhaps str is relevant based on rank? Perhaps up yours a little bit? I am going down to 0 str to try to find the lowest amount of str I need for G4 at R39.

I did some further testing for oak and walnut at humble. With 84 str and 99 str. Neither gave me a consistent logging spot for oak or walnut logs. I hit fatigue so couldn't go any higher.

Also what I noticed was that walnut and oak logs were rare. I can get 5 attempts for each tree before i can move on, It would take me on average of 10 attempts to get walnut or oak log hit. Usually getting at max 3 logs.

I will have to verify with yew (what I can remember and have some records for) but I was able to get upto 5 yew logs and would get a yew log hit every 4-5 attempts.

I also got what I expected with miner (r28) with sporadic silver sand and ore with Vit at the same as str.

It looks to me at first glance that they have separated the gathering for gain sp from the farming. You can farm much easier when you no longer have to gain sp at that grade. More testing will need to be done in order to tell if this is true, but it is what it feels like now.

All in all, the more I am testing the more frustrated I am with gathering. It took me 2 hours in order to get 29 walnut logs and 12 oak. This is just not worth it. Last run I did at glory (pre patch) got my 98 yew logs in about 125 attempts. No where near that amount at humble for oak and walnut combined.

I think that it is even worse than that. I would consider the appropriate grade when I have the Dowse etc ability. To harvest grade 4 i need to be level 28, so why do i have problems gathering at 28. I don't have as much of an issue of they do it for the above grade, eg in my case grade 5, but to not be able to on my own grade is a little pathetic.

I hope they get rid of it. The was definitely a step in the wrong direction. Considering the entire point of leveling a DoL is to be able to get items/enjoyment. But now it seems i need to mindlessly grind before i have the ability to get items, effectively reducing the enjoyment of it.

In all honesty what this does is somewhat 'makes' you have to use the mechanics built into the game. No more free rides so to speak.

Having now hit up my G5 spot in Riversmeet for Pike i've had the EXACT same results over 600 sucessful catches now. To outline a few of these things to 'keep in mind' when either trying to skill-up or collect resources:

* The base stats as mentioned by the devs' are just 1 part of your sucess when gathering. That one part NOW simply plays a role in your overall gathering, but isn't the only thing being considered.

* Sucessful gathering will weigh your RANK vs the GRADE you are gathering while also factoring the DIFFICULTY/RANK of the item you are aiming for. Stats like Gathering and Perception still play their roles so don't neglect to boost those when needed.

* A variety of classess offer attributes that allow you to modify and augment your skills quickly. Depending on what the requirements become revealed to be for a variety of gathering, these could play a big role in how we gear/stat ourselves.

* "Sweet Spots" are being a bit mis-understood with this new patch. Review what the dev's said:

"(example) At a certain grade and difficulty, having the appropriate rank, DEX value, and bait/lure will ensure that jigging the rod precisely in the middle will result in a black eel hit."

NOW, i missed this the first time around and didn't fully read it right. The actual JIG/SWING WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE if the conditions are met.

Taking SE's example we can ADD to that. Black Eel's are a rank 15 fish found in Grade 2 waters. They are fished at (-4) [aka. Targeted]. Now, since we ALREADY KNOW the correct sweet spot jig location, it should be possible with the "Favorite Bait/Lure" for them and the correct level of DEX to get a Black Eel Reel in by hitting the Middle (50%) on the Jig mini-game.

SOO...what this suggests to me is that it might be possible to create a 'Targeted Fishing Guide" (and other gathering guides too just minus the bait) Most of the info we have and only need to fill in the blanks:

* Fish RANK
* Water GRADE
* Fish DEPTH
* Favorite BAIT/LURE
* DEX requirement
* JIG location

Rank, Grade, Depth and Bait we mostly have. The jig location is easy enough to figure out but the dex will take some time due to the nature of haveing to re-spec. However, we might be able to find a trend with lower level fish that we can extrapalate to higher level ones.