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I'll update this post so i don't keep re-posting, as i make changes to the above log.

5/06/11 - Hurray for Friday :D
Okies, I now have a few additional theories on the subject of jig locations. In my prior attempts to fish and narrow down the right combo at grade 4 and 5 waters, i couldn't get consistant results. I blamed this on likely my DEX was not high enough (90) to meet the requirement. I do not believe this to be he case now...

Isolation by bait seems to be the kicker. In grade 1 pools north of Ul'dah I was trying to isolate Brass Loach. Listed favored baits include Syrphid Baskets, Rat Tails and Topwater Frogs. I figured GREAT, nothing else in the pool (Maiden Carp, Pipira, Stripped Goby or Crayfish have Topwater Frogs listed as a favorite bait) So I set my depth to +4 for the loach and first 2 reel ins are "Big Bites" on Topwater Frogs and I reel em in, 3rd time I'm expecting the same result and BAM, Maiden Carp :(

Plain and simple, the communities listing for favorite baits is incomplete. We have all contributed great results on this so far, but I believe there is still more work to do. In my prior tests at the higher grades, I simply didn't have all the baits available to me to test it out proper. I now need to spend some time gathering up the baits that cannot be purchased/made and as I test out pools of water, try to find that right isolation.

In final thoughts for today, since many fish are found in a variety of waters, with a completed list of all the favored baits we should be able to find the best place to isolate specific fish. (This is why Black Soles on the Dock with Sinking Minnows works so well, as nothing else in that water bites hard on the Sinking Minnow.) What I will be doing now is identifying the Jig locations for fish in the above post (since no matter what favored bait you use, the position is the same) and then work on filling out the favored bait list a little more complete. This way a "Fishing Guide to Erozea - Water by Water Analysis" can be created that can cross check a specific fish vs other fish in that water and try to isolate the bait as much as possible.

(for Freshwater Pools, thats 12 different Baits/Lures and for Salt 10 different ones)


5/02/11 - Happy May Everyone! So this weekend the sun (gasp!) actually came out so the weekend was filled with all mannor of RL harvesting (weeds, grass, moss etc) combined with a little logging (blasted overgrown oak tree!) and playing outside with the little lalafells. So no additional results were logged. I hope to being fresh this week and will likely start in the Grade 1 waters around Limsa and branch out from there. Again, (see post below) i seek to re-affirm that my results from Grade 3 Thanalan are not a 'fluke' and that Grades 1 - 3 can be 100% consistant in their results with my Dex and gear (Favorite bait assumed :p) Talk to you all sooN!


4/29/11 - [i]Lots of stuff so lets get to it:

Last nights and todays fishing trips included time spent at Cassy and Bloodshore coast line. First the results (inconclusive) from Cassy

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Cassy - Grade 4
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In over 300 reel in's I was not able to single out a specific fish with a specific bait. Very much in the exact manner that i couldn't do that at Grade 5 locations. My speculation is that my current 90 DEX does NOT meet the requirement for this system at Grade 4. This makes a bit of sense given that 85-90 is 'average' level of dex, and that Grade 3 (current only proven results) is average grade (in the middle at least of 1 - 5). Grade 4 likely will require more dex to create the depth/bait/rank/dex isolation we are looking for.

I was able to get 'BIG' bites and reel ins at every single depth for each fish/bait listed below:

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Blindfish - WILD
Nether Newts - WILD SNRB FROG
Crimson Crayfish - WILD SNRB FROG CHOC
Crayfish - CHOC
Lamp Marimo -

In other words, at say depth [+4,+3,+2...etc..-3,-4] using Wildfoul Flys I got big bites that contained Blindfish, Nether Newts, and Crimson Crayfish.

In more other words, at say depth [+4,+3,+2...etc..-3,-4] using Topwater Frogs, I got big bites that contained Nether Newts and Crimson Crayfish.

*NOTE* The jig location for each of these fish during a BIG BITE, absolutly is the same...but I'll refrain from publishing this on the OP as that is reserved for the trifecta of isolation (BAIT, JIG, DEX)

Unlike the results listed/confirmed in my OP for the Grade 3 waters of the Thanalan Docks, these results were Random. I can only conclude (so far) that the only thing making it random is my DEX level. In the grade 3 waters, there are fish who share a common Favorite Bait but can be isolated by being at the correct depth for that fish. Bump it up to grade 4 and its just not the case. Still using shared/common Favorite Bait and fishing at the correct depth but getting results of any of the fish who share the common bait.

This lead me to try and isolate with bait alone, but I didn't have a large enough variety to finsh the results. AS listed above, you can see several fish in this water have common favored baits...interestingly after 50 reels with Vulture Flys not one big bite, so I will temp conclude that its not in the mix. I was missing some Crow Flys (prior noted on forums of being a favorite of Newts, but you can see it wont help in this case). Also i didn't have any live/processed baits on me. I'll double check those to see if there is one, but again, bait doesn't seem to be the isolation factor, but a combined all 3 (as SE dev's noted) and this simply means MORE DEX (to me anyways) to get them to narrow down.

In effort to help 'prove' this theory (and that grade 3 results in the OP arn't a fluke) I went to check Bloodshore coast (Grade 3).

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Bloodshore - Grade 3
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Ironically, even having an array of lures here, and spending a period (150 reels) fishing I got a big fat 0 'Big' bites.

(+1) Bianaq Bream
(-2) Nautilus
(-4) Rothlyt Oysters
(-4) Sea Pickle

Now keep in mind it _was_ Raining....for whatever faith you might put into that...

Using SINKING MINNOWS, SPOON LURES, and CAGE FEEDERS at the listed +1, -2 and -4 depths there wasn't one 'Big' Bite. This is actually good (minus that i have it listed that Breams favor Spoon Lures...) in that there was no random results (like in grade 4 or 5) and that likely i was simply missing the correct bait/lures. I will try this location again tonight when my Fatigue refreshes and bring some other bait (Floating Minnows, Herring Balls, Crab Balls, Goby Balls, and perhaps some Pill Bugs and Rat Tails too)

I'll keep yas posted on this area.

*CURRENT FOCUS* I will obtain the additional baits I need above to try and fish out the guys on the Bloodshore coast. If all holds true to form I should be able to confirm their conditions and update the OP with more Jig locations. ....ALSO...If I recall correctly Blindfish can be found in some lower grade waters around Ul'dah...I'll see if I can get it to lock down in those waters where in Grade 4 I couldn't.

Until Next Update :D


4/27/11 - [i]Good morning anglers! Ok, so an 'accidental' discovery that isn't overtly helpful but simply explaines a few more of the 'what ifs' surrounding fishing and this newer system. While fishing for some black soles I was at (-4) and would get 'Big' bites but the jig location wouldn't work...The one for Hammerheads did. Dismayed that perhaps the whole system was crazy I did this all morning, to then realize, I was using Spoon Lures (macroed) and didn't switch to Sinking Minnows. Once I switched to the Minnows, it went right back to getting Soles on the correct jig location. This is interesting in that:

1) Even though I was at the wrong depth, I was able to get 'Big' Bites for the lure.

2) ONLY Hammerheads (34 big bites worth) were hitting, even though this lure is also a favorite of the Tigers.

I am speculating that Since I was at (-4), the HH's are at (+1) and the Tigers at (+3) I was simply getting the NEXT CLOSEST fish for the 'Big' Bites for that lure.

4/25/11 - [i]Happy late Easter all :p So over the weekend I spent some time at the G5 Riversmeet waters. I was not able to confirm the jig locations for any of the fish in there yet. It would seem that either my DEX is too low (90) to 'guarentee' consistant results or that I had the wrong Bait/Lure for the fish. At (-1) depth targeting Northern Pike, I would get the 'Big' bite, but no location on the jig range would 'insta' reel it in. Thus falling fate to the then random 2+ attempts as noted in the OP. I was also NOT able to confirm a range for Crimson Crayfish either. Again same thing would happen, Nowhere on the range allowed me to 'insta' reel one in after a 'Big' bite. I _am_ now going to test out the Crimsons in Cassy (G3) waters and see if it makes a difference. Be REALLY COOL if there was (and that this DEX requirement is based on the body of water (grade), not the rank of the fish). I'll keep you all posted.

4/22/11 - Added the log and the first 3 fish I've tracked. Further fish will have to wait till this evening/tomorrow as i've capped out my fatigue pool this morning. Enjoy.

Edited by user Friday, May 06, 2011 4:30:50 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

no that was a typo, it has been corrected. Black Sole are at (-4)

I can confirm that the jig point is not on a fish basis. Grade 4 has bream all over the place for me due to rank. While grade 3 is consistent. Grade 3 LL Blood shore has two jig points.

Jig Point A


Jig Point B


Jig Point A has
Sea pickles
Rothlyt oysters
Malm kelp

Jig Point B has
Bianaq bream
Nautilus

I found it interested that the items at each jig point shared the same remainder bar. Jig point A is at H in approach and jig point b is above h as you can see in the picture. Depth was +1. Lure was spoon. Turvy I wasn't sure how to convert my jig points to your format so please feel free to do it for me and include my data in your original post :)

Note: These jig points are not exact for every item. These jig points are more of the extremes of all items so that you can jig at one point and reel in all items at that jig point with a single jig. For example you can still one shot reel in malm kelp directly in the center, but you can not for rothlyt. So the jig point for rothlyt must be left. However, if you go too far left then you wont one shot malm kelp anymore but you could still single jig the rothlyt. So jig point A will one shot Rothlyt and Malm kelp but knowing exactly the jig point for both items I am not sure. It would require further testing to find both items extremes. I suck at jigging so I opted out of that testing and just settled for the jig points that would get all items based on the remainder bar with one jig.

Edited by user Friday, April 29, 2011 2:54:36 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

What test did you do to lead you to the conclusion it is not 100%? Would seem to me that it is unfair that mining and botany get a 100% strike/chop point dependent on item. While I don't have much experience with fishing yet I would assume it would be the same and my limited testing would seem to indicate that. The only time I have items not be where they should be is when I didn't have the correct stats. While I did not do much testing at the fishing node I never found any item at a incorrect jig point.

I can say for botany it is 100% constant chop points based on items based on 750 gathers.

Edited by user Friday, April 29, 2011 9:35:37 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

How uncommon? Have you ever seen the second point on the opposite side of the slider? Looking forward to your update. When you say uncommon I think 3/15 ;)

Edited by user Friday, April 29, 2011 9:50:54 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Wow, i was literally just talking about this last night, we were realizing that the jig positions were the same and even after moving around or even a few days i could com back and jig at the same spots with the same pulls. Amazing to see this up, major props man. But yeah i have since about 4 days ago started noting all my bite locations in an attempt to understand the fishing system in FFXIV a little better. If you have more jig info i would love to pick your brain. Feel free to hit me up and im sure we can be beneficial to us both as well as the community.

Glad your doing this Truvy, I have my hands full with hitting everything fish in game with every bait/lure to figure out favored bait combos lol...

One thing I want to mention, you said there were times where you would go a full 150 and never get a BIG HIT message. This is common, the messages can be very inconsistent in getting out to you.

I will have a new update for the favored bait charts today. I have every bait and lure in large quantities now except for the damn snurbles.

Edited by user Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:46:36 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified