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Pre 2.0 Depth!!! Please let me know what you think
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Kida
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:00:57 AM(UTC)
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So far we have no information on depth in the database at all. The problem is that there really aren't any concrete proof so far that this has any effect on the results. I know this is something that needs to be investigated but I don't really know how to go about this.

I considered making a page where results could be posted. I thought something like this:

Location: drop with options
Watertype: Freshwater vs Saltwater
Bait used: drop with available tackle
Rod: List of all rods
School: Indicating whether or not fishing in a school
Rank: rank of person fishing
Grade: Grade of water
Result: what was actually caught
Count: How many of the fish was caught
Quality: +1, +2, +3
Depth: drop with options -5 to 5

This would mean that people would have to use this form when fishing to get a statistical insight into what the depth could mean. Also we could get a lot of information on rank versus result/high quality and so on.

The question is: Would you guys be willing to play in windowed mode and do this? There would be a need for a HUGE amount of information before anything solid could be proven and there is the possibility that it would be abused (someone claiming to catch 100 crayfish at some depth by clicking 100 times). I would make it so that only registered members could submit and I would give 1 point for each submission. Is there any interest in this and would you be willing to help out?

Only the last four options would have to be changed when catching something but it would still mean some work.

Please let me know if I should make this. The information could be excellent if something could be proven. At least information on bait and rod would be great to have as that is already being mapped.

EDIT: 2011-01-21

This is an old post... the log was implemented, changed, then changed again... and it will be changed again... Depth is now very factual and the original purpose of the log has been diminished. The log is still very important in regards to gather information on weather, moonphases, locations and so forth so please still use it BigGrin

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Kida
#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:05:54 AM(UTC)
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Another point to this would be that there would be no need for pen and paper when fishing in order to document results.
I would also store when and who entered the information so that in the future you would be able to see what you have recorded. That would also enable me to remove results from people who want to abuse the system as I could just remove all rows from people not trusted.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:04:12 PM(UTC)
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Oh yes I want this. I signed up just in the hopes that you will in fact add this lol!


Especially like the idea of being able to see all my past results and sorting by usera great deal.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:35:27 PM(UTC)
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The only time I've seen depth work, and it may just be coincidence, is on schools in Drybone. If I fished shallow, all the way up, I got a lot of dark bass, but never an ala mhigan fighting fish. If I fished deep, I got a lot of ala mhigan fighting fish, but no dark bass.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:07:21 AM(UTC)
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OK... Fallensbane got me convinced. Maybe other would like to be able to record their catches and finds. I would make it so that you would always to be able to retrieve the information you submit. Maybe in time I will make a way to export to csv or something.

I had a conversation with Fallensbane on FFXIVCore. We talked about adding information on Moonphase and weather. Also maybe information on EXP should be added. I know this will be more information but maybe it could be optional. This way we could also make recommendations on where to go at what levels.

I am going to make an implementation of this tonight... sigh... I get the game and I am going to be coding LOL...
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:23:08 AM(UTC)
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I did some experimenting on depth on OB.
Don't have any numbers (well.. some on paper somewhere), but liked to share my view.

While fishing on Limsa, I suspect: "middle depth" gives you an equal chance to catch all fish. Fishing from shallow depth gave me more tiger cods, fishing from bottom gave me more Goby and Clam. I plan to continue experimenting (hopefully today) on these 3 depths. Middle/top/bottom.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:37:38 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the input... I am going to make this thing work as fast as possible and then we will be able to get a more clear answer through statistics. If we have 100 people making 100 recordings we will have a pretty good picture of what will happen at the different depths. I think what you say is correct but we need to confirm this somehow. It would be great if there was another way of targeting specific fish other than place and bait.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:52:11 AM(UTC)
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Only issue with XP is, it's not based on the fish, but the grade of the node. What I did some temp fishing logging with was the following.
Rod | Bait | Zone | Loc | Grade | School (Y/N) | Moon | Time | Depth | Skill (class skill in effect) | Bite (Bite/Nibble) | Fish | Count | Quality (n/+1/+2/+3)| Shard | Count

I don't have enough data to confirm anything though.

I do suggest we start with a specific rod/bait/node, and gather data for that. I figured I'd do testing at the fountain just outside the inn in Ul'dah.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:40:36 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the input Fearsyth...

I have now implemented the Recorder (as I call it, if you have a better name let me know). Check it out and let me know what you think.

I didn't consider shards... but that is very individual as this has been proven to be influenced by your own elemental alignment.

I hope you will start using it and get some information into the database. The more people who record their findings the more we can "prove"...
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:14:35 PM(UTC)
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Call it Fishing Log, cause its for Fishing, and its a Log.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:33:09 PM(UTC)
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It seems to be missing quite a few weather effects.
http://www.eorzeapedia.com/wiki/en/Category:Weather
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#12 Posted : Friday, September 24, 2010 12:54:44 AM(UTC)
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Fearsyth wrote:
It seems to be missing quite a few weather effects.
http://www.eorzeapedia.com/wiki/en/Category:Weather

 

THANK YOU.... I have been looking for this and I will implement as soon as I get the opportunity...
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Kida
#13 Posted : Friday, September 24, 2010 1:21:15 PM(UTC)
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OK so I have the new weather implemented... and we have a brand new look I hope will help people pick the right moon and weather :D

Enjoy... now let me play the game...

Naw ... JK I want all your input please :D
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#14 Posted : Friday, September 24, 2010 1:27:18 PM(UTC)
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By the way I want to thank all who have participated so far... We already have more than 500 logs in the database. I really hope that we will get a lot more of course but this is a brilliant start and you guys are doing a great job considering the log only has been online for maybe 30 hours... and only working properly for the last 24 LOL :D

So keep going and I will make sure that all the effort is put into a great system that will let you get all the data in a nice presentable way... still thinking on how to do it best.

By the way... 43 Tiger cods have been caught in 4 different areas... just a little sample LOL

I should also let you know that I am planing on showing highest contributors on the front page... yes... you will get bragging rights ^^
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#15 Posted : Friday, September 24, 2010 1:33:26 PM(UTC)
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I get bragging rights?!

Oh, it looks very nice by the way. I went WTF for a second before you fixed the layout though. I was in middle of fishing when you updated.
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#16 Posted : Friday, September 24, 2010 8:26:39 PM(UTC)
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So~ starting using this...awesome addition btw. Great work.
I screwed up my first few entries though when the format changed last. First entries say ageless wysse, should say drybone. Only 5 entries and not much data, but still, if you can/wan t to correct it. Will be more careful (Had half window not visible due to window setup lol)
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#17 Posted : Friday, September 24, 2010 10:29:32 PM(UTC)
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this fish that can be caught at different depth changes randomly  as far as I can tell it is to reduce the chance of bots being effective against the more rare fish..     when you stop catching rare fish at a certain depth try changing depths until you find one again then continue fishing that depth until you stop catching rare fish  rinse and repeat
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#18 Posted : Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:50:08 PM(UTC)
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Love this!

Might I suggest that you make an edit function?

I have a few catches at Drybone that are listed as saltwater and grade 1, when they should be freshwater and grade 2.

Would make it easier on you if we could edit our own dumb mistakes lol.

 
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#19 Posted : Saturday, September 25, 2010 2:25:00 PM(UTC)
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We (Kida really) are looking into adding an option to delete catches, which you could then re-add with the correct data. This weekend is busy, so it may take a couple days.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:40:37 AM(UTC)
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That works too, thanks for the work being put into this!
No rush obviously hehe

Btw, I just found out that certain fish are only obtained from schools; dark bass for example.
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