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Orophin
#1 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:52:34 PM(UTC)
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The benchmark was released today, as well as the media embargo was lifted, so there's a lot of new information out there. Two articles that I thought were very interesting:

http://massively.joystiq...nal-fantasy-xiv-a-realm/

http://gamerescape.com/2...tasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/

According to a quote from Yoshi-P in the Massively article, fishing will be more for the sport of it more so than stimulating the economy. I'm a little disappointed by this, but I'm hoping this was something just lost in translation as it'd be pretty silly to have all these fish and they not be too important in a craft such as cooking. If fishing's economic importance was similar to that of 1.0's I'd be ok with that, but I want fishing to be something I want to keep going back and doing, rather than a short-term activity to where I don't look back at it once I've filled up my gathering log.
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#2 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 8:56:32 AM(UTC)
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I can already tell you what they are wanting to do.. turn fishing into the Bassmaster's Classic.. that's a real tournament for pro fisherman lol.

It's basically taking Selbina contest and going bigger with it. I wanted something like this actually but like Oro said how will this affect cooking. Makes me wonder if fishing it just going to be a complete joke to catch any fish and thus chefs will have no problem grabbing a rod and going to get their fish w/o having to worry about lvling up.

Cause if fish aren't going to be an important part of the economy then the only reason I can think for lvling up would be contests or tournaments thus "sport". I'm not going to spend time fishing to put them up for sale for nothing so someone else can bank off it but then again.. we decide the prices for items in game so how can fish not be a integral part of the economy?

It's not like they can stop us from pricing them out BUT they can make it where the fish are so easy to obtain the market will get flooded or basically none will be sold cause of the ease of attainment.

We'll see I guess. I never fished for profit unless I was using the fish for cooking or something else but I know people did in 11 like soles, etc. Gil was so easy to make in 1.0 but they are changing the economy and the value of gil so will it still be basically a no brainer to make money or is it going to be much tougher and if so..

why would you remove a potential money maker from the game like fishing. We'll see I guess.

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#3 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 1:12:38 PM(UTC)
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I for one am so disappointed to read this. Fishing is a huge part of the game for me. I loved FFXI fishing the best where you actually had to fight the fish to land it. FFXIV 1.0 minigame was okay, but now it's going to be point and click? This is awful news if I'm understanding correctly.

I copied Q&A from a discussion over at The Lodestone.


Q10: How will fishing work in FFXIV: A Realm Reborn?

A10: It's probably best if you actually experience it in-game, so let me just go over the broad concept. In ARR, you will first need to walk near a water spot, select a fishing pole that matches the type of water, and then select the bait. There will be no actions during the fishing process. Instead, we will be providing a variety of fish-types depending on the area.

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#4 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 2:31:38 PM(UTC)
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lol I was just coming back to post that. Hope for the best and hope it's something better we weren't expecting? So does this mean we won't even be running around with a pole on our back cause I really was digging that compared to ffxi. So various poles will have to be used for different kinds of water?

What does that mean for the luminary rod then? Are we even going to have rods anymore or are they just going to have us select from a auto list. meh.. Sounds like either we have to carry around a multitude of poles or they'll have a selection list like you are renting one out basically that's automated.

lol I stirred up things on page 7


http://forum.square-enix...ads/60811-Fishing-in-ARR

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#5 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 9:31:57 PM(UTC)
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Reading Reinheart's more literal translation of the Live Producer Letter this morning just further soured my mood:

foxclon: ok next one, in ARR how is fishing? please explain

yoshi-p: the best way is to try it out but talking about the concept. I used to fish as a child, but for mmo there are times i want to chat and stuff so using the armoury system we wanted people to change to fisher and change gear to that water and fish. It’s made so you don’t need optimal gear but anyways we have it made where it’s not where it requires action.
it’s something where players can enjoy fishing in fresh water, sea water.

Seems like it requires little thinking at all. :(

I have to say, fishing is a really big part of the game for me. If they dumb it down this badly, the rest of the game better be friggin awesome, else I can't see myself playing it.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:01:23 AM(UTC)
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Pretty much same with me as well. If fishing just goes to sh*t and is a yawn fest I probably won't pay to play. Sorry Yoshi but this is what happens when you f over part of your community based on some weird japanese idea of what you have from your youth in Japan.

I have to say that if fishing turns out like this I will not play the game.

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#7 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:20:10 AM(UTC)
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I was anticipating/hoping the reason Fishing wasn't integrated in Alpha yet was because they were working on a new amazing fishing program that wasn't ready yet because of it's awesomeness. What a letdown this is. If true I'll be holding out for EQ3. I'll have no interest in playing FFXIV.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:50:49 AM(UTC)
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I want to retract my earlier statement. Not all of it but I think it was somewhat ridiculous and obviously premature to be judging the game at this point based on some comments by Yoshi or lack there of. I cannot imagine me not playing this game. I've been waiting for 2.0 forever and stuck it out through 1.0.

I love fishing so I hope for the best but fishing alone will not make or break the game for me. It didn't do that in FFXI and it won't do it here. There is just way too much good and upside to this game to make statements like I did.

Give the game a proper shot like I think we all will through the beta and if you want just do the trial period. I think Yoshi and his team at least deserve that and we would be doing a disservice to them and ourselves.

Can't wait for the beta tomorrow. I truly am beyond excited to start playing 14 again beta and 2.0 and I hope the rest of you are as well.

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#9 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:36:17 PM(UTC)
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I do have a small complaint about all these pics being realesed, it's the female roegadyn(?), they're way too skinny female galka should be way bigger then that, but i'll wait to see how they look in game.
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#10 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 4:16:06 AM(UTC)
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lol^. Just a sidenote people need to seriously chill out about the NDA. No not on here.. not Kida. I get why players aren't supposed to talk about their experiences in it and show pics/vids, etc.

But wow.. some people were just going off on other players on xivpads chat a few mins ago before a certain company had serious technical issues cause from what I read the whole world tried to log in at same time.

Still.. the same dude who was just going off on people end his chat stay there by talking about how hopefully they'll have things fixed when he wakes up. lol. Calm down folks.

I don't really understand why people can't say they are in beta and I also think it's pretty much impossible to keep those players from talking about it. I would just ban pics and videos and official forum posting or if I caught someone starting threads on other forums complaining about the game itself.

But seriously...someone saying they are in it or trying to log on or they are excited about the beta. If SE banned you for that.. would be absurd. If SE banned anyone at this point it would be absurd unless you see pics or videos and even then I would tell them to stop or temp ban for few days.

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#11 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 8:11:47 PM(UTC)
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I know we can't talk about it much but i already know what i need to know about the gameplay from alpha, for the beta i'll be focusing mostly on the char creator. Over at ZAM wint will ban you from their forums for saying your in alpha or beta Blink
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:19:58 AM(UTC)
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We are not banning people here for saying they are in the beta but if you feel better about it just say you are Legacy member. This is not a secret and Legacy = Beta tester. In no way would I ban people from saying they are legacy members and we all know that phase 1 is for legacy members (and to some extent other members). Also I know that Yoshi-P has stated somewhere that it would be ok to say you are in the beta.

That being said I want the NDA to be respected... so no pics or videos from the beta on these forums unless it is straight from SE.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:31:23 AM(UTC)
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Just a little update I found on Lodestone this morning. The first paragraph seems really similar to the translated answer to the question about fishing in the last Live Producer Letter, but the second part I haven't seen until now. This was posted by Llen Coram:

A: I believe it'll be much easier to understand when you actually play, but I'll go ahead and give you an idea of what we're planning. I think in an MMO world there are a lot of times where you just want to chat with people, you are waiting on friends, or you don’t really have enough time to craft and gather. During these times we feel it would be great for anyone to be able to easily change to the fisherman class, head to a nearby pond and start fishing.

Although there will be a few skills you can use when fishing, it's been designed so they're not absolutely necessary, allowing players to relax and enjoy the experience if they choose to do so. Also, we plan on having different types and sizes of fish depending on the area and water temperature.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:33:19 AM(UTC)
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Ok that's great for someone who wants to casually fish but it just once again seems they are dumbing down fishing overall. Not really sure I get this:

"I think in an MMO world there are a lot of times where you just want to chat with people, you are waiting on friends, or you don’t really have enough time to craft and gather. During these times we feel it would be great for anyone to be able to easily change to the fisherman class, head to a nearby pond and start fishing."

So if they don't have time to do bot or mining or craft they have time to equip a rod and travel to a fishing spot and who exactly is going to do that. "hmm you know what I don't wanna level up this other stuff so I'm gonna bust out my rod and go fishing for the hell of it so I can chat and watch tv or whatever"

I get it.. he wants people to relax and fish and enjoy the scenery while not having to play any mini games or do anything time consuming other than just sit and fish. So what about the rest of us cause ya know not everyone.. not even close are like that nor want to do that.

I guess what I'm asking is.. is there going to be a serious side to fishing because this isn't it and this is not what I want in fishing.. at all. I keep reading these updates and basically what I see is what Yoshi wants and what Yoshi thinks is best for fishing.

Can someone point me to the player poll Yoshi took that says fishing should be the equivalent of laying in bed talking on the phone.

I'll just copy and paste this in official forum.

I actually edited it for off. forum but still I'm just waiting for some good news to come out about fishing that is more serious.

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:56:45 PM(UTC)
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It just sucks that we have to wait until Phase 3 to test this. :(

I agree with you though, it almost makes it sound like that when you don't feel like doing anything else that there's fishing you can just sit back and relax and do because it's not supposed to be complicated. I just hope that they plan on putting in mechanics for fishing to satisfy the more "hardcore", if you will, fishing crowd. Fishing tournaments, ferry routes, stuff like that.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:14:16 AM(UTC)
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Well despite what he said i don't think miner/fisher with be much different then botany that we've seen, however making us wait to beta 3 i doubt the system will change much from what they planned from feedback.

My only real concern is if it will still be profitable or not. Selling fish for GC seals was way more profitable then anything else i did.
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